Google cofounder on hiring without degrees

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Sergey Brin, cofounder of Google, told a room of Stanford students that his company now hires “tons of people who don’t have bachelor’s degrees” and that many candidates “just figure things out on their own in some weird corner.” That blunt observation isn’t a soundbite about rebellion — it’s a crystallization of a long-running shift in hiring: big employers are increasingly prioritizing demonstrable skills over diplomas.

This article peels away the headlines and does three things: (1) shows the hard data and the corporate context behind Brin’s remark, (2) explains the consequences for students, universities and hiring managers, and (3) offers practical steps — for applicants and institutions — that actually work in today’s hiring market. I’ll cite the core studies, list notable company moves, run two brief mini-case studies, and end with a checklist you can use immediately.

Quick note on credibility: I’m drawing on primary reporting, labor-market research from the Burning Glass Institute and third-party analysis (including Fortune, Financial Times and Business Insider) so you can verify the claims below. I cite the most important sources where they matter.

The straight facts: what Brin actually said and the data behind it

In a conversation with Stanford engineering students, Sergey Brin summarized a reality many hiring teams already know: Google still hires “academic stars,” but the company has also “hired tons of people who don’t have bachelor’s degrees — they just figure things out on their own in some weird corner.” Brin framed this as both an observation about talent and a prompt to reconsider what a university is supposed to represent in an era where practical learning paths and online tools can teach high-value skills.

That anecdote is backed up by numbers. Analysis by the Burning Glass Institute shows a meaningful decline in the share of job postings that list a bachelor’s degree as a hard requirement — a structural trend across many technical and business occupations. One report, widely cited in industry coverage, documents how degree requirements for many “college-level” jobs have declined substantially from earlier years.

This isn’t just Google posturing. Major employers — Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Cisco and others — have publicly loosened degree filters for many roles or joined initiatives designed to “tear the paper ceiling” and surface talent trained by apprenticeships, bootcamps, military service or self-study. The goal: increase the pool of qualified applicants and reduce reliance on pedigree as a gatekeeper.

Why this shift is happening — three structural drivers

There are three practical forces pushing companies away from degree-first hiring.

Skills scarcity and faster tech cycles.
Technology evolves faster than four-year curricula can refresh. Employers need people who can ship, debug, and learn on the job faster than traditional degrees can guarantee. That makes demonstrable experience — open-source contributions, code portfolios, specific cloud certifications — more predictive than a diploma alone.
Cost, diversity and business logic.
Hiring strictly by degree excludes a large share of the population. Leaders argue that opening roles to alternative routes widens the talent pool, improves representation, and lowers the long-term cost of talent acquisition. Public campaigns and coalitions (for example, “Tear the Paper Ceiling”) actively advocate for skills-based hiring to expand access.
Automation and modular learning.
AI and online platforms now offer cheap, targeted ways to learn practical skills (cloud certs, machine learning micro-credentials, platform-specific courses). Employers are increasingly willing to trade formal credentials for proven, demonstrable ability—especially for roles where coding challenges, work samples or paid internships reveal capability faster.

Put plainly: companies want people who can do the job today — and degrees are only one way to show that.

The gap between policies and practice — good intentions aren’t always hiring outcomes

This is the uncomfortable bit: public commitments to drop degree requirements don’t always translate into hires.

Harvard Business School and Burning Glass researchers found that while many firms removed degree language from job postings, relatively few actually hired large numbers of people without degrees. Simply changing the job ad is cheap; changing corporate routines, biases and HR systems is harder. One critical study found that, for many companies, removing the degree checkbox increased applicant diversity on paper — but actual hiring of non-degree workers remained limited without deeper process change.

That explains why Brin’s comment matters: he isn’t simply advertising a policy; he’s describing a genuine outcome at Google — a company that has the internal hiring sophistication to test skills directly and to onboard non-traditional candidates at scale. Not every firm has those systems. If you work in HR, the lesson is blunt: you can’t paper over a degree screen and expect different results. You must change sourcing, assessments, and bias controls.

Mini-case study 1 — Google’s approach (what the company actually does)

Google’s public materials and hiring experiments show how a top-tier employer makes skills work as a filter:

Homework over diplomas: Google uses take-home projects, technical interviews that emphasize real problems, and portfolio review instead of relying solely on transcripts for many technical hires.
Internal upskilling: The company invests in internal training so new hires without formal CS degrees can ramp to product standards.
Selective degree requirements: Google still requires degrees for certain roles where deep theoretical grounding matters, but it removes the requirement where practical ability predicts performance better.

These operational pieces — tests, apprenticeships, and internal training — are the plumbing behind Brin’s remark. They’re what let companies convert a diversity-friendly policy into actual hires.

Mini-case study 2 — the “paper ceiling” campaign and smaller employers

The “Tear the Paper Ceiling” coalition (Opportunity@Work with the Ad Council and many employer partners) provides a playbook for smaller firms that want to hire skills-first. Its core tactics are:

Redesigned job descriptions that list essential skills rather than degrees.
Skills-based assessments during the application process (work trials, projects, or simulations).
Apprenticeship pipelines and partnerships with community colleges and bootcamps.

Smaller employers that run these pilots often discover they can source high-quality candidates from previously overlooked talent pools — but only after changing their screening and interviewing processes, not just their hiring policies.

The counterarguments — why universities and some employers push back

Heads up: this debate isn’t one-sided. There are clear pushbacks against the rush to “diploma-less” hiring.

Degrees are still a useful signal for critical thinking, exposure to a curriculum, and non-technical skills like academic writing and research methods. Employers hiring for cross-disciplinary roles still value the structured learning environment a degree provides.
Risk and legal concerns make some firms conservative: degree screens reduce perceived hiring risk and simplify compliance in regulated industries (finance, healthcare, defense).
Evidence of symbolic change, not substantive change: Studies show some companies merely removed degree requirements from ads but kept hiring habits that favor degree holders. That limited follow-through fuels skepticism that such moves are more PR than policy.

Jamie Dimon (JPMorgan) and Alex Karp (Palantir) have publicly argued that pedigree alone doesn’t guarantee performance — yet both firms still balance degree preferences with skills pipelines depending on role and regulatory needs. Their comments reflect nuance: degrees aren’t everything, but they’re often helpful.

What students should do tomorrow — a practical playbook

If you’re a student, stop waiting for policy to change and start taking control. Here’s a tactical plan:

Build a portfolio now. Real projects, code on GitHub, documented contributions to open-source, or concrete product work beat theoretical talk when you’re assessed for a job. Employers will look at demonstrable output.
Earn micro-credentials that map to roles. Vendor certifications (cloud providers, data platforms) or recognized bootcamp certificates are quick signals. They’re not magic, but they’re testable hooks for recruiters.
Get internships and freelance work. Short, paid roles with clear deliverables are stronger evidence of job readiness than GPA alone.
Learn to sell your learning. Write case studies of projects, explain tradeoffs you made, show tests and results. Recruiters scan for that narrative.
Use targeted networks. Join communities (open-source, developer groups, hackathons) where hiring happens informally. Many non-degree hires are discovered in these networks.

Bottom line: a degree is still useful, but it’s not the only game in town. Build transferable, demonstrable evidence of competence.

What universities need to fix — radical but practical changes

Universities are getting treated like dinosaur museums while students learn modern skills on laptops. That’s partly fair—degree programs are not optimized for speed and modularity. If universities want to stay central to career readiness, they must make real changes:

Modular micro-credentials backed by employers. Create short, stackable credentials that map explicitly to job families (e.g., “cloud infra specialist — 12 credits + lab”). Employers must trust the syllabus; industry co-design helps.
Work integrated learning as default. Embed paid internships, apprenticeships, and client projects into degree programs, not as optional extras. That converts academic credit into real signals employers value.
Fast refresh cycles and agile curricula. Build course design processes that allow faculty to update core modules every 12–18 months based on market needs and employer feedback.
Credential portability. Make transcripts and micro-credentials machine-readable and verifiable by employers — the friction of proof still blocks many alternative route candidates.

Universities that do these four things will remain relevant. Those that don’t will become feeder systems for older norms, not the economy’s main training engines.

How hiring teams should actually change — checklist for HR

If your company removed “bachelor’s degree required” from job posts, congratulations — you completed step one. Do steps two through ten and you’ll actually hire non-degree talent:

Define essential skills vs nice-to-have. Write job ads that list measurable outcomes, not diplomas.
Replace resume screens with work samples. Give applicants a short paid or unpaid project matching real work.
Train interviewers to spot learning agility. Use structured rubrics to reduce pedigree bias.
Run apprenticeship pilots. Pair junior hires with senior mentors and track metrics.
Change ATS filters. Don’t auto-reject applicants lacking a diploma; route them to skills assessments.
Monitor outcomes. Measure retention, promotion and performance of hires who lack degrees and compare to degree hires. If outcomes are equal or better, scale the approach.
Document and publish results. Transparency helps other organizations replicate what works.

This is work operationally — not marketing.

Policy implications — where regulators and governments should focus

If the public cares about upward mobility, governments should stop pretending that mere removal of degree wording is a fix. Policy can help in three realistic ways:

Fund apprenticeships and employer-co-designed credentials. These are high-ROI investments for public employment outcomes.
Subsidize verification infrastructure. Make micro-credentials easy to verify for employers and portable between borders.
Encourage outcomes reporting. Require large employers to report rates of non-degree hiring and performance outcomes — transparency drives accountability.

These are pragmatic interventions; they won’t eliminate the need for degrees in regulated professions, but they will expand realistic alternative routes to quality jobs.

The myth of overnight disruption — what Brin’s comment does not mean

Let me be blunt: Sergey Brin saying Google hires lots of people without degrees does not mean:

Degrees are worthless. For many roles (research, medicine, regulated engineering) degrees remain essential.
Everyone will be hired without proof. Companies still need proof — code samples, portfolios, apprenticeships — just not always a diploma.
Universities will vanish overnight. They’ll evolve, or risk becoming irrelevant for job preparation.

Think of Brin’s remark as a provocation — a high-status leader calling attention to a long-running trend the market is already testing. It’s evidence of change, not a magic wand.

Five realistic next steps (for different audiences)

If you read nothing else, do one of the following depending on your role:

For students/jobseekers:

Build three real deliverables (project, GitHub repo, published write-up) — start today.

For universities: 2. Pilot one employer-co-designed micro-credential this term and publish placement outcomes.

For hiring managers: 3. Drop the degree filter in one job family and measure outcomes for the next 12 months.

For policymakers: 4. Fund regional apprenticeship hubs and require standardized verification of micro-credentials.

For HR tech vendors: 5. Build ATS modules that route “no-degree” applicants to skills assessments automatically and provide analytics dashboards.

These are concrete, low-bureaucracy moves that produce data — and data will be the currency that wins this debate.